Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem

Service Station, by Aaron Skonnard

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A few weeks ago my Thinkpad (T42) screen went blank on me. At first, I thought it was just the power management causing the screen to turn off but when I tried to "wake it up", the screen wouldn't come back on. I could get the screen to come back on momentarily by toggling Fn-F7 a few times, but after about 10 seconds it went blank again. After rebooting, same thing -- 10 seconds and blank. I knew I had a problem.
 
However, because I've had such good experiences with Thinkpads over the years, I didn't purchase the extended warranty on this one and my standard warranty expired 6 mo's ago (doh). IBM/Lenovo told me it would cost $595 and about 5-7 business days to replace the screen. Since I had to travel the following week to teach a class, I needed a quicker (and hopefully cheaper) solution.
 
Upon closer inspection, I noticed that I could actually see the windows very, very dimly on the screen. However, it was so faint I couldn't see a cursor or read any text but the screen was definitely trying to project the image. So I hooked up an external monitor and the image displayed just fine. I messed around with some OS and APC settings, reinstalled the latest video driver, and uninstalled a few pieces of suspicious software but the problem persisted. At this point I was sure it was a problem with the hardware.
 
I began researching my situation on Google and found several helpful posts on related issues. Everything indicated that the problem was either due to a bad inverter or a bad screen. Apparently most screen backlight problems are caused by failing inverters and not the screen backlight itself (but as luck would have it, that wasn't my case). I didn't know the first thing about working with inverters but it didn't sound hard. So I downloaded the T42 hardware maintenance manual from IBM and found the section on locating and replacing the inverter.
 
I bought a new inverter from ACS and gave that a try. Unfortuntely, the problem persisted so I decided it must be the screen itself. Another screen symptom I was having: whenever I first turned on the screen it would have a pink hue and it seemed to be getting dimmer than normal, but after a few minutes it would “warm up“ and the pink would go away. There were several blogs that indicated this was indeed a sign of a dying screen/backlight. So I proceeded with purchasing a new screen from ScreenTek (~$400). Installing the new screen was much easier than I anticipated -- once you get the face plate off, you just unscrew it from the braces and disconnect two cables, then you put the new one back in its place and screw everything back in. Here's what my laptop looked like with the face plate off (the inverter is the card at the bottom of the screen):
 
 
 
Once I replaced the screen, the problem completely disappeared (even with the old inverter). It's been running without a hitch since that time. Plus I have a bright, crisp screen again...it's almost like buying a new laptop. I hadn't realized how bad the old one was getting...the gradual change over time is deceiving but it had definitely lost its original brilliance. Since both of the vendors I used provided reasonable overnight shipping, I was able to resolve the probelm within 2 days (compared to 5-7 offered by IBM). It didn't take more than a few hours to do the actual labor thanks to the help provided by the hardware manual, and it even saved me a little money.
 
Screen problems can be painful. Hopefully this information will be useful to someone down the road.
 

Posted Jan 19 2006, 01:44 PM by Aaron Skonnard

Comments

Bob Blum wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 05-18-2006 2:03 PM
My T42 Model 2378FVU (14.1 inch screen) has recently developed the same symptoms, pink screen included. The problem has gotten worse until, finally, today the screen mostly just goes dark.

Thanks for your useful page.

-Bob
Jerome wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 05-31-2006 1:00 PM
Same problem for me,
the screen is still working when the laptop is plugged to an outlet, but he luminosity setting has to be turned down to 4/7 otherwise... black screen.
Hope this little trick will help.

Jerome
stuart torrance wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 06-10-2006 4:16 PM
i am having this problem, am planningto get screen replaced

your page is very useful indeed

Elissa wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 07-09-2006 9:17 AM
Thank you very much for this. My T20 has had a problematic screen from the beginning. IBM replaced the monitor but the problem persisted, getting worse over time. Yesterday it took about 4 hours for my screen to come on after having that "dim look" -- visible at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30268343@N00/185018215/
It finally occurred to me to Google "Thinkpad backlight." It's good to know that (a) I'm not alone, and (b) it's not necessarily Florida humidity that's causing my problem.

Printing this for reference and moving on to the next search result....
chris wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 07-28-2006 8:35 AM
looks like my T42p is doing the same... hadn't noticed the "pink" hue until I read your description... currently I can get the screen to come back by depressing the sleep button and then waking it... for now...

luckily mine is still covered by the extended warranty...

hopefully it will continue to "wake" until I can send it for service
martin wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 08-03-2006 4:26 AM
I have an older thinkpad with the same problem and have been reluctant to purchase a screen. Like you, I tried the inverter with no success. I'm going to get a screen on ebay. Thanks
Ross wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 08-19-2006 2:52 PM
I have had the same problem with my T20, though without the 'pink hue' part. Essentially, the backlight isn't working. However, after replacing the screen -and- replacing the inverter board, the problem persists. I'm now wodering if it's the LCD cable that is failing, but I'm reticent to throw any more money at this until I know exactly what the trouble is. Any help would be appreciated.
Clive wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 08-28-2006 2:44 PM
I've had that problem as well. Any tips to avoid this midnight period in my life would aid me to grasp the nettle and move on to better things.

Midnight Clive's response.
Angela wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 09-02-2006 12:22 PM
I've had a similar problem with my t30 thinkpad, which I bought three years ago from a man.

I go to switch it on and the screen flickers slightly and then leaves the room. Help?
Craig wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 09-09-2006 5:47 AM
Angela, that sounds familiar. Can you check the mainboard connections at all? Visually or otherwise, but be prepared for some soldiering if you see anything amiss. Soldiering can result in toxic fumes as well, so take a deep one for me before you start!
Karl wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 09-13-2006 1:32 PM
Laptops happen, my american friends. If you REALLY need repair them, you must consult an expert, not people over the internet. ;-)
Ivan wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 09-13-2006 2:42 PM
Karl,

what is an expert ?

a guy that makes big money doing things he colsulted over the internet.
Cedar wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 09-17-2006 6:51 AM
Thanks a ton for the link to the maintenance manual dude!

I downloaded the one for my laptop and took the screen off and the inverter out. Put them back in ,ensuring everything was connected fully, and my screen works again!

Yay!

Karl wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 09-17-2006 3:35 PM
Ivan,

An expert is a gentleman with more time for the finer things in life, because he is no stranger to hard work and the furtherment of his essentials. ;-)

P.S. I enjoy your country. It is almost as good as Germany, but without the intelligence-happening. ;-)
Mike wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 09-21-2006 10:06 PM
Karl,

There doesn't seem to much 'intelligence-happening' over there either. Don't forget we saved your asses from your necks in WWII.
Gwen wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 09-22-2006 8:41 PM
Uh, Mike? Karl was just trying to be polite. There's no need for your kind of psychosis here.
Mike wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 09-24-2006 7:50 AM
I'm sorry Gwen. I've upset you and the forum by my outburst. Sorry to Karl as well, who isn't your typical forum poster, and so should be treasured because of that. I love my fellow man as much as the next 'man' (or, woman? Platonic love) but when you get me steamed you better be prepared! Only kidding -- keep this forum alive!
Brandon wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 09-25-2006 6:00 AM

Karl,

There is plenty of "intellegence-happening" over here dude. I suggest two approaches to avoiding the baser in our society : 1), ignore the television (and most other broadcast and print media, we have too much to staff with the best and brightest and that's of those who choose journalism/advertising/etc.); and 2) stop hanging out at the greyhound bus station.

:-)

Brandon
Brandon wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 09-25-2006 6:07 AM

Hey thanks for the screen/backlight/inverter tips. I have a T42 here doing exactly what's described right down to the pink hue. I'd already figured it was hardware.

I noticed an interesting thing as well on my laptop and that is if I unplug the external power cord it will cause the backlight to turn off immediately. That's with a full battery and all the timeout/standby/hibernate settings disabled. Plugging it back in does not restore the backlight.

Trying the 4/7 brightness setting and external display toggle to see if that helps until I can get some parts.

Brandon
Brandon wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 09-26-2006 12:31 PM
Hey thanks for the screen/backlight/inverter tips. I have a T42 here doing exactly what's described right down to the pink hue. I'd already figured it was hardware.

I noticed an interesting thing as well on my laptop and that is if I unplug the external power cord it will cause the backlight to turn off immediately. That's with a full battery and all the timeout/standby/hibernate settings disabled. Plugging it back in does not restore the backlight.

Trying the 4/7 brightness setting and external display toggle to see if that helps until I can get some parts.

Brandon

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Karl wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 09-29-2006 11:01 PM
Brandon,

Life is for living, my friend. I am already doing this, but why are not you? ;-)

I do not know any greyhounds, but I can be certain of one thing: You have no penis.

;-)
Gwen wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 10-01-2006 8:41 PM
Uh, Karl? This is a tech forum, not a place to compare the lengths of our soldering irons.
Stephen wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 10-02-2006 6:40 AM
Thanks for the post. One of the execs brought his T42 in this morning. Same symptoms as you described. Fortunately for him, his mail-in warrenty was still good.
Jodi wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 10-03-2006 9:01 PM
Stephen is the t42 not working now? I just have a feeling all is not well with it. :(
Gwen wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 10-04-2006 8:15 AM
What was your first clue, Jodi? ;)
Steve wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 10-04-2006 1:06 PM
Uh, Gwen? You're about as funny as smallpox.
Ximena from London UK wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 10-07-2006 1:55 AM
Hi, Im having the problem you describe. I was wondering if you can recommend the place to buy the inverter/screen? Many thanks
Keith Locale wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 10-12-2006 10:17 PM
Ximena, you should check ebay for refurbished screens and inverter boards. Sometimes there's some really awesome bargains on there, I've saved thousands of dollars this way.

Keep in touch,

K.
john p wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 10-15-2006 12:16 PM
I have the problem described but your solutiin did not help me and I may have tosell this laptop because it is just not working help me please.
Talmus wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 10-16-2006 6:42 AM
Backlights...

They have troubled mankind since time immemorial, glowing like ghosts on the horizons of our collective mindscape, dancing through the shadows of our chequered history as so many tears across the face of God.

And here and now, with all our technological might, our artistic acheivements, and our firm stance against global terrorism, backlights continue to plague us, hunting us down, cornering us in forgotten 'net tracts, and demanding we bow to their digenerate, but undeniable, power.

it's time to make a stand - fix the backlight problem forever. This forum is the first step. Don't let it be the last.

MXCIIIXVI Crontus Zo Ac GMT+56463523.445
Mike R wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 10-29-2006 11:43 AM
Hey,

Thanks, I was about to change inverters, but you have the EXACT same problem that I just got. Since I work for IBM already, I can get a new laptop for about $1000 off. I figure a $400 screen plus repair costs (since I won't do this myself and it's not on warranty anymore) and everything will be within $100 or $150 of a brand new BETTER laptop, so why not.

Thank you VERY much though.
Mike R wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 11-03-2006 3:29 PM
And thank YOU, the people who read this blog. You make it what it is.
Einosuke Kanemoto wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 11-29-2006 3:43 PM
I am a pissed off Japanese guy staying in Canada.
My T43 is doing EXACTLY the same thing.
It is very irritating and I can't do my Java work.

I have to close-and-open my lid many times to get it work.
(usually once or twice but sometimes more than 10 times)

I phoned stupid Lenovo Canada but they never answer the god damn phone. I think they have like 3 dumb girls sitting there.

My warranty EXPIRED. What the heck am I gonna do now.
Should I replace the inverter first or the screen first?
My screen will be damn expensive since it is 1400*1050 one.

I certainly took care of this laptop. I even installed 2GB of ram! But now it's just giving me blank screen every 5 minutes!

I so should have gotten Toshiba one instead of this Made in China low quality fake IBM P.O.S. ......
Frank Butchersgrass wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 12-05-2006 12:58 AM
I had exactly the same problem with my T20 and after replacing the inverter board AND the LCD screen, the problem persisted. I have yet to try replacing the cable, and suspect this might be the problem. But who really knows? The Yellow Peril?
jp marco wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 12-07-2006 2:08 PM
I have the same problem as Frank with a Thinkpad 600X.
I replace the inverter, the screen and the subcard but my screen is yet black !
It works fine on an external screen.
If you have an idea ....
Hugh wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 12-08-2006 8:38 AM
I've had the same problem, which has persisted over the past 7 months. First the screen was cutting out but I could get it working for a while by flexing the laptop open and closed a few times, but even that stopped working eventually. I tried replacing the inverter (cheapest option), no luck, so then tried the screen. Still nothing. Then I tried the lcd cable, and STILL nothing. Then I tried the CPU, main board, HDD, memory and chassis, and that seemed to do the trick. My laptop works perfectly again, which is a relief as I can't really afford to buy a new one.
Mike wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 12-21-2006 5:07 AM
I've had exactly the same trouble with my IBM T20. After replacing the screen, inverter and finally the cable, I got my laptop up and working again -- for about a day. Then the PSU died. The moral of this story would appear to be that laptops just aren't built to last, and really aren't worth the bother of repairing.
Linda Vang wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 12-26-2006 10:54 AM
My monitor screen happens to be blacked out and the computer still works on my laptop,but slightly in the rear darkness--the screen images seem to be on but the entire screen is darkened out. I can slightly see the windows open through out but the monitor is blacked out. There's an openning to the left, I was wondering to check if that there is any missing part that may have caused this or a fuse ligh outage or of some sort?
Kris wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 12-27-2006 10:26 AM
I have the same "dark screen" problem on my T42 (but no pink hue). However, when I slghtly sqeeze the screen (I am not kidding) on the left lower side, the the screen lights up again. It takes a few tries to get it to stay on. Its a pain in the ass and I'm not sure if I want to pay money to fix the damn thing.
Mike wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 12-27-2006 1:48 PM
Kris, sounds like your LCD cable needs replacing. Compared to a new screen or inverter board, it's the cheapest part to replace, and isn't too tricky to install. You'll need to open the screen casing and unplug the cable from the motherboard, however, which is a bit fiddly.
Arnold Barten-Smythe wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 12-30-2006 8:17 AM
I swear, these backlights are the very devil. I purchased one last year from a dubious Asian fellow -- the sort of chap you'd find lurking in dockside taverns or patronising opium dens, i should imagine -- and had had nothing but trouble from the wretched device. One could count himself lucky if the damnable thing turned on at all, let alone cast enough illumination by which to write a letter or read the Daily Telegraph. When the contraption did decide to work, it was accompanied by a maddening buzzing noise, as that of flies about a week old carcass, and last week I would have sworn a tinny little voice sounded from it, making to insult my good lady wife, and passed several disparaging remarks regarding her culinary accomplishments. Well, that was the last straw, let me tell you. I cast the blasted thing into the murky waters of the Thames that very afternoon, and good riddance to it!

I urge you to do the same, gentlemen. No good can come of it.
LG wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 01-02-2007 7:54 AM
I had the same problem on my IBM T20.

No pink screen, but the screen would get very very dim and then come back on if I did FN-F7 a couple of times. Very frustrating.

I had never opened a laptop up before and was a little intimidated at the thought. But I found the T20 manual and it was actually very easy for open up following the directions.

I found that the inverter card was fine, just the connections had come loose. I plugged them back in more tightly, closed it up and everything is fine.

Whole thing took not more than 2 hours.
Ian Clunnadrick wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 01-04-2007 3:09 AM
2 hours? Do you have hands made out of mathematics or something? I just replaced the battery on mine, and it took 7 1/2 hours of pure, toe-curling agony. THEN I moved home. That took at least 4 weeks, and no laptops in sight. What next? 4 years to bake some bread? This is ridiculous.
Louie Huang wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 01-07-2007 5:36 PM
Quick question for you guys.

I have the exact same problem with my T42, red hue, backlight turning off, etc.

I was wondering if it would be possible to get an XGA screen instead of an SXGA that I currently have. The price difference is pretty huge and since my company is buying me a new Thinkpad in July I just need something to hold me over till then.

Do I have to replace the current lcd screen with the exact same model or can I downgrade the lcd?

Aaron Skonnard wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 01-20-2007 10:49 AM
I'm the guy who wrote this blog entry. A while back I decided to jump off a cliff and buy a Macbook Pro. And recently I decided to sell off the good parts in my T42. So if anyone is looking for a new Thinkpad screen + inverter, check out my eBay listing here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180077176677

You'll probably end up paying about half what I paid (if that), and a fraction of IBM retail.
Daniel wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 01-29-2007 3:03 AM
Aaron, thank you very much for sharing your experience, helped me a lot to track down the problem (My T41p had the pink hue since a long time and this weekend the screen started to go black every 3 minutes). One additional note that hopefully helps others:

Fastest and most reliable way to get the screen turned on again for me is to turn it off explicitly (Fn-F3), wait 2 seconds, and then press a key to wake it up again. No need to close the lid/send it to stand-by.
Chad wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 02-01-2007 7:24 AM
I have an Thinkpad T42 as well and I have the same issue as described above. The only difference is that my laptop seems to operate just fine when running off the battery. If I start my laptop without the power cable plugged in, the screen looks fine. Once I plug the power cord in, the screen goes black or very very dim. If I move the screen back and forth sometimes I can get the screen to pop up again. Any ideas about why the power cord would be causing an issue?
who knows wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 02-06-2007 10:56 AM
I've got a t42 and have been getting the dreaded pink hue on startup for the last few weeks. However, within the last few days, the screen has been blacking out on me from time to time.

I'm still under the warranty so IBM sent someone over to fix it. Replaced the screen, cable, etc. I didn't realize how bad the resolution had gotten over time until I noticed the big difference with the new screen.
Roger wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 02-16-2007 6:40 AM
I've got the same problem with a T42 here (in fact the screen is black right now, but I've got a second display).

I'm not so sure it's just a hardware problem though. I've found that going into the displays settings and swapping the screen identities (i.e., changing screen 1 to screen 2 and vice versa, which resets their resolutions) is sometimes enough to get the screen back.

Weird.
Tony C wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 03-01-2007 11:07 AM
IBM T42, Darn screen went black on me last night. Also got the pink screen when I dimmed the screen. This morning It went black two more times so I called IBM and they asked me to hook it up to another monitor. I did and there was no pink! I had a nice bright screen. I'll be sending my T-42 back for Warrantee work as soon as I get the box they are sending out to me.
Thanks to you I got to the bottom of this problem much quicker.
Tom L wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 03-01-2007 5:27 PM
My issue is the same as the others... pinkish screen.. fade to black.. open and close. You get the idea. Root Cause... I dropped it, hard. :) At 1st I thought it was a bad hard drive after the fall, so I replaced it and reloaded the system. Then I played with the software updates, power settings and so on.

I did however, find a work around. With the screen brightness at 100%, my T41 will go dim every few seconds or minutes. If you adjust the brightness down to 80% the fade to black goes away. You still likely need some new hardware but it is allowing me to type this note with out fliping the screen.

You should be able to tell if its a hardware issue by booting to the BIOS by pressing f1 at startup. If the screen goes dim while in the BIOS... its a hardware issue. If it only happens in Windows, its a software setting or driver.

Best of luck!
QUANMAY30 wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 03-05-2007 1:58 PM
Hello I'm trying to see if my problem is the backlight or screen. I have a T23 and when I boot up I get nothing but black display/screen.
Same result when I go into the boot-menu.

Any suggestion?

thanks
Ryan wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 03-06-2007 9:08 PM
I have the exact same problem as Chad
Ryan wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 03-06-2007 9:22 PM
also it so far will work when plugged in on 4/7 brightness


So is this a major problem for IBM computers or does it run rampant in pretty much all of the brands
Bob wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 03-06-2007 9:44 PM
Hey folks...same problem on my T20.It started blanking on me..and I found fn + f7 toggling between the lcd/crt/both would bring it back...or toggling fn + f4 I think..if I remember correctly...finally it would only flicker on and back off....then no more flicker on any more..who'd a thunk..in this whole process from the begining of the issue,I detected a slight electronic component overheating smell...( this dude has been working on all size of 'puters for 28 years now..go figure)...after taking this thing apart I find the inverter card to be the source of the smell..so I ordered it..$17 + $9 shipping..not too bad ...I'll let you know if it fixes it...
T C wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 03-07-2007 11:06 AM
Just a reminder here!

If you must return your computer to IBM. Don't forget to peel the address sticker off the side of box to reveal IBM's address. I forgot to and wasted 3 day's. DHL delivered it right back to me! LOL!!!
Bob wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 03-21-2007 11:09 AM
Tah - Dah......the inverter board fixed my issues... My T20 is now back in the car again as my mobile pc....I use it online mobile to do work from my car.My treo 650 works as a nice cellular modem..with pretty good software from Junefabrics.com
David C. wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 03-22-2007 2:49 AM
Thanks for putting this page up. I just purchased a used T42 and I am having the same Pink screen problem. Thanks to your page, I know how to fix it! :)
arel wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 03-27-2007 8:49 AM
I havea T42 with a problem taht I still have not seen a solution for it yet. computer comes up fine, but once I place my hand on it to type on the keyboard the screen goes off then on, then off, and hard drive stops. then if I press hard on the mouse pad area near the three keys, the screen starts to come back and hard drive runs again. it is like the whole system is going off line for some hardware reason. What is under the mouse pad and its 3 keys. Is this repairable or kiss my T42 good bye.
Many thanks for the help,
PS screen is as sharp as it can be, no fading issues.
Arel
joko wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 04-16-2007 3:52 AM
looks like I have wexactly the same problem with me t42

Perhaps its an IBM problem with so many coming down.
Nazaret DerKourkian wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 04-20-2007 10:13 AM
Hi
After I replace the inverter it worked.
But I have some new problem now
If i hook up the laptop to the charger the scren loses it's brightness and getting darker
Any suggestions
Thank you
Nazaret DerKourkian wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 04-20-2007 10:14 AM
Hi
After I replace the inverter it worked.
But I have some new problem now
If i hook up the laptop to the charger the scren loses it's brightness and getting darker
Any suggestions
Thank you
arabiaep wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 04-30-2007 12:36 AM
My T40 started to have this problem few weeks back and resulted in a total loss of the LCD backlight. Looking over this post I was certain that my problem would be resolved by replacement of the inverter board.
I looked for the spare parts and local IBM Service Center stated that it will take over 10 days to order the part.
I decided to go around looking for the parts myself. I found a second hand laptop dealer at the computer shop and asked if I could get an inverter.
Luckly, I was able to test my laptop's inverter by replacing with one of the good inverter from second hand T42. Interestingly, that did not fix the problem. Therefore, it was the second option of LCD pannel replacement. This resolved my problem and costed me about $200 as it was second hand LCD.
FYI, a pink/red screen and then screen going dark would mean problem with LCD backlight.
Thank you for information, it saved me a lot of time.
Brett Murphy wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 05-12-2007 1:41 PM
Same problem... am going to get the screen replaced. perhaps this could be a class-action suit since there are so many difficulties and similar problems, IBM should be responsible for damages, especially if they had evidence in the past and did not act on it.
Robert wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 05-20-2007 6:30 PM
Hello to everybody ,

Same problem with my IBM T42 . I think I'm going crazy with this piece of IBM * trash * I'm very upset right now so , sorry for the trash thing .. The IBM's I think is the most good working laptops I've ever used. Anyway , going back to my problem .....Why the LCD has to let us down on us specially on most important moments ?

I got the same problem with the dark screen . Tried everything . restart , reboot , installing new programs , de-installing .... nothing . Without seeing this forum ... I tried myself the FN+F7 ... worked few times .... and I though ... oh my god ..I'm a genius .... until the screen never worked . I tried to start it up again , working for like 1 second and then "bang" black again . Hmmm .. I said to myself ..... I think I got a virus from the internet .. ... my AV's found nothing ...

Then finally , I came to this forum and saw that I'm not the only one that is having this nasty LCD problems . I'm wondering ... does IBM knows about this kinds of problems ? Anyway , for all of you guys who have this problem .... before you buying a new LCD screen , you might try to extend your old IBM LCD by lowering your luminosity .

As "Jerome" said on "5/31/2006 1:00 PM " the luminosity setting has to be turned down to 4/7 or lower and you will get it work .


P.S. Sorry for my English ... I'm from Romania .
guy wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 06-07-2007 1:05 AM
have the same symptoms in my t42.
your post was most helpful in figuring out the problem and saving time in trying to eliminate the possibility of software issues being the cause.
apart from this issue the ibm t42 has proven to be a very reliable laptop, no other issues or problems since the day i have bought it 30 months ago.

thanks again
Bryan Baker wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 06-18-2007 5:44 PM
I've done a lot of work on laptops. I find rarely it is the inverter that fails. Upon taking apart a few screens, many a time it is a crack in the lcd backlight.

After reading this article, I was horrified to find out you guys are spending $400+ to buy new screens, as the backlight is EXTREMELY cheap to replace.

The backlight is a small cold cathode, basically like the fluorescent lights you find in office buildings, only much smaller and thinner.

As these bulbs begin to wear down, they tend to flicker a lot and hold only for a bit before burning out. As well, once they crack they are done.

Now the good news. All you need is a soldering iron, and you can replace your cathode for under $10! It sounds wild, but they make these internals look a lot more sophisticated than they actually are.

I would be glad to post photos somewhere of how to install this, or take emails if you have any questions regarding how to do this. One tip though, purchase a few of them at a go. I was lucky and installed mine the first time without snapping it.

But to sum it up, the only way to crack your screen while doing this is to sit on it.

-Bryan Baker
bryan.ross.baker@gmail.com
Rob Frazier wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 06-26-2007 10:21 PM
Thank God for Bryan...

I've been reading post after post in this thread, thinking how much money has been wasted, replacing lcd's that had absolutely nothing wrong with them. Nothing but a bad CCFL (backlight) that costs about 10 bucks, a little shipping and 15 minutes of playing around with your soldering iron and jeweler's screwdriver set.

Man...doesn't anybody Google anymore??

Eric Giang wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 07-07-2007 6:11 AM
Same problem T41P.

Temp workaround:
I can set the luminosity to 6/7 ... you can play with the level of luminosity and use the sleep button to toggle the light back on.

Toggling: Take a pen to hit the sunken sleep button that is depressed when you close the lid to the laptop.

Thanks guys!
Eric
Taufid Idris wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 07-20-2007 8:08 AM
Thanks man, you've confirmed my analysis on my T43 and cut off my trouble shooting time. At first I tought i mess aroung with the BIOS and ACPI. My T43 have the exact same symtoms... Gonna get some replacement done... Hard to find the CCFL sparepart in malaysia, was hoping i can DIY.

I noticed that i can still use my screen by dimming the brightness to 3/4 from full brightness...
wearetheborg wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 07-23-2007 11:17 PM
Same pink hue, ultra faint screen problem on a T40 here.
Turning down the screen brightness all the way down seems to work, anyone know if this is a permanent fix ? Ie, will there be a time when turning down the brightness level wont help ?

Much thanks for the detailed description !!
aughie wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 07-28-2007 2:51 PM
It could be caused by a crack in one or more of the printed circuit tracks of the ribbon cable, which runs between the main laptop case and the LCD/Backlight in the cover
Katherine wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 08-17-2007 9:47 PM
same problems too with my T42. I've basically resorted to running windows movie recorder and just very very very frequently putting the laptop to sleep and waking it up. VERY FRUSTRATING. I have the pink hue too
Lothix wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 09-09-2007 9:47 PM
I've had this happen to Thinkpad T40 twice.

The problem is with cold cathode fluorescent lamp (CCFL), commonly known as the backlight going bad.

Lowering brightness works well as a temporary fix.

For a permanent fix, you have to replace the backlight lamp. New backlight lamp can be obtained for $9 - $15. It looks like a thin white tube with metal contacts coming out of it.

To replace the lamp, you will need a service manual for your laptop, tools such as a screw driver and a soldering iron, and a lot of patience. You will have to take LCD assembly apart, swap out the old lamp, and put the laptop back together.

DrK wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 09-13-2007 11:14 AM
This is a problem seen on all LCD screens and your slightly above average geek can fix themselves. You need to be able to operate a soldering iron and screwdriver without hurting yourself and follow a basic take-it-apart-and-put-it-back-together plan without leaving any extra parts behind on your kitchen table.

CCFL lamps have a finite life span. This is probably more a problem for Thinkpad owners since our laptops tend to last a lot longer than other brands. Most other laptops have some other critical failure before the back light burns out.
Autumn wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 10-14-2007 4:46 PM
Thank you for posting this! My t41 is exhibiting the same behaviors. I swore it was a software problem and did all the necessary driver updates, etc to no avail. The f7 function works after a few clicks but only temporarily. Then the screen goes black again, every 30 seconds or so. My screen also has the pink hue before warming up. I tried lowering the luminosity and that seems to have worked for now. Will buy me some time before ordering a new laptop.
J wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 10-16-2007 5:12 PM
hopefully this link would help you if you want to change backlight (CCFL) lamp.

http://www.qingshen.de/wiki/index.php?title=IBM_ThinkPad_T40_CCFL_Replace&printable=yes

I ordered CCFL at ebay, and it costs under ten bucks (+shipping).
Miedo wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 10-19-2007 7:08 PM
Its happened to my t42 twice already, requiring to screen changes from IBM. Glad I have the warranty.
Dom wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 11-05-2007 11:18 PM
Great post- Thanks very much.

My T42p has had a pink hue for a while but today strangely started blanking the creen when the PSU was plugged in (but not when it was on battery because I reduce the display brightness when on battery).

Your post makes me convined that it is either my inverter on the CCFL backlight. The T42p has the most amazing screen on any laptop I have ever seen and they are Very expensive (1600x1200) So I shall try replacing the inverter and the CCFL (as described here http://www.qingshen.de/wiki/index.php?title=IBM_ThinkPad_T40_CCFL_Replace&printable=yes
).

Thanks again.

Dom
David W wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 11-15-2007 7:27 AM
Thanks for this post. This is better than IBM support pages. I had theEXACT same issue that you so well explained. Once again, thank you.
Lee wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 11-24-2007 6:50 AM
Thanks very much. This post has helped me with a T21. Might as well by a new laptop though.
Jackie wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 11-30-2007 9:30 AM
I have an old T21 I'm not really using anymore (needs way too many new parts to make it sing), and a T42 with this issue with pink hue, now blacked out -- any chance I could use the screen from the T21 as a replacement for the one in the T42? I'm not sure I'm up for the CCFL replacement task as I'm not good with a soldering iron.
joe wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 01-04-2008 3:32 AM
i have a thinkpad 2885 and the screen is blank upon startup ... it makes 3 beeps so I googles that and i found some info about memory the hard drive and the mbo... i planned on replacing them in that order ... so far i have done the memory and nothign has changed ... the battery light on my actual screen is on still if that is useful info?

does anyone know what to do??
Shady wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 01-14-2008 12:16 AM
Aaron, I'm having the exact same problem with my T42, to the letter! I can see the others have had or are having the same problem, which indicates that this is a common issue with the T42. I tried Jerome's approach of pulling back on the luminosity down to about 4/7 or so, and that seems to stop the screen from going blank, but causes the pink hue to appear, and it won't go away unless you ramp the luminosity back up to 7/7. I'm trying to contact the local dealer (Saudi Arabia) to inquire about the cost of replacing the screen. If that's too costly, I might as well bite the bullet and buy a brand new T61 (I'm a ThinkPad guy through and through.) Thanks for your thorough explanation!
Mad IBM Buyer wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 01-18-2008 12:13 PM
This should not happen to screens after 3 years. Too many people with the same problem. My eyes are killing me, read this through the black.
Where has all the quality gone?
HAYFORD wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 01-20-2008 11:25 PM
Thanks for your helpful instruction, well was not able to get screen back light up, but have learn some tricks

hayford
Mindy wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 01-22-2008 5:42 PM
I'm having the same problem, and solving it by closing and reopening my laptop every time. Where is the option for the 4/7 brightness setting?
Weez wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 01-27-2008 5:18 PM
I have a T30. My screen used to take a while to show picture, esp when cold..if you left it a while it would work or if you moved the screen up or down it might come on flicker a few times and then work fine all day until next time. But now it only flickers or doesn't show picture at all, If I press around the bottom there where the data cable goes in I can sometimes get a picture but it is flickery and doesn't stay. The screen looks on, not pitch black and that little "light" at the top works when you switch it on. Laptop works fine if you plug in an outside monitor or TV. Any ideas?
Andrew wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 01-29-2008 12:02 AM
I CAN FIX IT!

Well, sort of, and for my laptop only (might work with yours though).

I've got a T23 that'll black out constantly. What I do is Fn-F7 until I get a picture, and then QUICKLY Fn-End to turn the brightness down. As long as it's not at full brightness, it won't black out again. Hope this helps. :)
Joe wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 01-29-2008 7:59 PM
My IBM T42 screen is no longer bright, i thought it was the inverter, so i bought one off ebay, it didn’t work, the seller sent me another one, and this time i ordered a CCFL backlight too, i finished soldering it with the old connectors, and tested it, it still did not work, so two backlights(mine + brand new), 3 inverters(mine + 2 used/they said it was working), and still no success, im suspecting the inverter again, and planning to buy it from a different seller. I connected the Laptop to my PC monitor using the VGA cables, and it works pefectly. Could ANY body help me out b4 i lose my patients and throw the laptop away, it’s taken 1 month just for parts to arrive! finally, could someone suggest a diagnostics, could it be the mobo, video, video cable, or another inverter? Thanks, will be refreshing this page steadily! thanks.

Tim Finer wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 02-14-2008 7:04 AM
Thanks for the information. I found a dealer that sells CCFL's and I've ordered one. Hopefully I won't burn my house down soldering it in!
lory wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 02-24-2008 5:18 PM
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Mr Reevas wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 04-05-2008 9:38 PM
hi, thanks for the comments, pink screen is a dying simphtom... good one! :D this note is very helpful
Andrew wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 04-20-2008 3:34 AM
Thanks for the info! This has just happened to me and I'm glad I'm not the only one. I think my T43 is still under warranty so I'm going to call Lenovo and provide the explanation you have provided.
Roger from Toronto wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 05-09-2008 8:33 AM
Would it be possible to use a CCFL from an old ThinkPad?

I have a T42, and I've got an old 590 around here someplace.
Doctor Bloomquist wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 05-19-2008 8:51 AM
I dont get why you replaced the whole screen when you diagnosed, quite rightly, that the screen was still working and the backlight had failed.

Even taking the laptop and a new backlight to a repair place would have cost less than a completely new screen.
Jeremy wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 05-28-2008 7:19 AM
Thanks, I just encountered this issue in the past week. I had a pinkish hue (though I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me) and then the screen just blanked out several times. Now it's completely out. I have a few more months on my warranty, so hopefully this will be covered. My battery is in pretty bad shape too, so hopefully they can replace that as well. We'll see...
oldie__ wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 06-03-2008 5:03 PM
The SXGA+, SAMSUNG LCD Panel (IBM P/N 1P8348)will die sooner.
Later on, it was replaced with other types that last longer.
Tom wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 06-05-2008 4:26 PM
We had the same problem and replaced the screen AND we had another problem that we couldn't 'bend' the computer in the least. The screen would turn 'plaid' - I put a 'foot' that you stick to the bottom of things that sit on glass (for instance) under the KB left and right clicks on top of the big copper heatsink where the cushion now is. I'm presuming I'm jambing the video chip back into place. So far, so good.
Mark wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 07-31-2008 6:27 AM

Hello all.

I have the same problem that were described in the text. My computer is lenovo n100 ty031pb and after some day of light blinking screen and red/magenta display after start, today, computer wents down with the lcd. The local service center tells that it might be not only lcd but even inverter or cable, but after reading this text, i think the answer is known.

Thanks for useful infos.

kevin wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 08-19-2008 7:15 PM

I have a new one for you. I have an HP that works just fine while on battery power but goes black when plugged in. It completely turns off the back light when I plug it in. If you are on battery power it will work just fine until I run out of power. I have tried to change all of the settings and adjust the brightness to no avail. I have heard of it going out when you unplug but not the other way around. Any ideas?? I would be hard pressed to think the power inverter is bad due to it not having a problem at all while on battery. It only happens when I go on power. I have removed the battery and ran the laptop without the battery to check the power supply. It worked just fine minus the picture. I can see what is on the screen and everything works just fine minus the back light. Remove the power and restart the laptop every thing is perfect.

eric wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 11-18-2008 10:14 AM

Hey,

My problem is a bit different. I have the usual pink hue when I open the lid. But after 10-60 seconds the screen shuts off and will only go back on if i close the lid and open it again. Any idea what the cause is?? Thanks for any help.

Kacenka wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 12-11-2008 2:11 PM

Thank! This helped a lot. I have the same issues, have been having pink/red hue for weeks now and yesterday it died. Can't afford new laptop of new screen right now but hoping to get stuff on e-bay or from friends. This helped me to stop trying everything else :)

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on 12-25-2008 11:28 PM

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Hari wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 12-26-2008 7:37 AM

Thanks for sharing all the very usefule info.

Folks this is symtom when we are asking 100% brightness from LCD display. Just reduce brightness from 100% and you will be ok in this case. Reduce brightness using Fn-End keys.

G. Sigurjonsson wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 12-30-2008 8:29 AM

Thank's for very usefull information.  

I had exactly the same problem with my T42.  At first the screen only went off occasionally when the brightness was 100%.  By pressing Fn+F3 to turn the screen off and then move the mouse a little, it went bright again.  Then it only got worse and worse and this morning it went black after about 15 seconds with brightness on lowest setting.  I just turned it in to my IBM dealer and he says that the screen must be replaced.  That will cost a lot but still I'm not ready to throw it away yet so I will go for it.

Timothy Dicks wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 01-15-2009 1:46 AM

Same problem as initialy described. I have ordered a new inverter to try that first and have a screen lined up for purchase online if that doesn't work. What I have noticed, is when I switch from external monitor using Fn-F7 back to lcd I can hear a soft pffff sound. I can't tell if it is coming from the screen or the inverterboard. Does anyone know where in the screen the backlight is? The bottom, top, left, right, etc. I have a T20. I know it's old, but I really don't want to go through the hassle of transferring the OS and programs, etc to a new machine. I would like to have two monitors on this machine, but if I have to I will settle for one external.

Thanks

Jesse McGee wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 01-30-2009 7:40 AM

Similar problem on IBM T41.  There is a micro switch on the screen cable used to turn off the screen when the lid is closed.  While investigating, I have found that pressing and releasing this switch restores the screen.  After repeated applicaiton, the screen seems stable.  $0 repair!  Anyone with similar experience?

Wendy B wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 02-18-2009 12:33 PM

To the person considering ordering a T61.  My T61 is starting to it as well.  will be covered under extended warranty. . And the problems predate the Lenova buyout.  I have same problem for a T42P and an R50.  Just ordered CCFLs for each of them for $10 a piece at http://www.ccflsurplus.com. Figure it's better than renewing my extended warranty at $200 due to sales Lenovo is having for new computers.

Thanks for all the great information everyone!  Lowering the brightness was a good temporary fix!

KBATTPO wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 03-02-2009 7:29 AM

Lothi, DrK and J,

thank you very much for pointing to the CCFL!

I have two T42 laptops. The first one with a cracked LCD. The second  one with the classic syndrome of "pink hue->dim screen->flip lid->back on for another 30 seconds".

I bought a used LCD off Ebay for $20 and replaced the cracked one in the first laptop. Then I pulled a perfectly good CCFL from the cracked LCD and replaced the lamp in my other laptop. Now both laptops show excellent picture for the whooping $20 in the cost of repair.

I took some pictures but I don't see an option for attachments.

KenB wrote re: Laptop (Thinkpad) screen/backlight/inverter problem
on 03-14-2009 7:21 PM

I'd like to thank Aaron and everyone who posted their experiences in the comments section.  All of this information was very helpful in diagnosing the problem with my Thinkpad T42.  It also helped give me hope that I could fix the problem on my own.

I was able to replace the inverter and CCFL in my laptop and everything seems to be in good working order now.

One thing I discovered is that the maintenance manual for the my Thinkpad from the IBM/Lenovo website had me do a lot of unnecessary work taking apart the main part of the computer so that I could remove the LCD lid at the hinges.  Skip all of this (except for removing the battery and power cord) and go straight to opening up the LCD casing itself. There is no real need to remove the LCD screen by its hinges and opening up unnecessary stuff increases the risk of breaking something.

Again thank you for all of the great information posted on this page. It was very helpful.

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