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Grady Booch
defends the UML status quo
in the face of
Steve Cook's
and
Alan Cameron Willis'
concerns.
What has baffled me for some time is why the UML camp puts so much emphasis on UML relative to
MOF
and
XMI
, which I've always found much more compelling.
Posted
Jan 05 2005, 01:39 AM
by
don-box
Comments
Ziv Caspi
wrote
re: Back and Forth on UML and DSLs
on 01-04-2005 11:59 PM
<cynic>Because they're making money on UML?</cynic>
Stefan Tilkov's Random Stuff
wrote
UML, MOF, and Generic Interfaces
on 01-05-2005 1:40 AM
Don Box wonders: What has baffled me for some time is why the UML camp puts so much emphasis on UML relative to MOF and XMI, which I’ve always found much more compelling. I prefer MOF as well, as I’ve written before, and I strongly believe Microsoft should have based its DSL approach on that instead of inventing its own...
Kevin Daly
wrote
re: Back and Forth on UML and DSLs
on 01-05-2005 2:25 AM
*Sigh*. UML seems to be regarded with religious reverence in some quarters, which doesn't help objectivity.
People never seem to have a sense of humour when I enthuse "at least it's not as crappy as drawing Warnier-Orr diagrams".
DJ
wrote
re: Back and Forth on UML and DSLs
on 01-05-2005 5:16 AM
"UML seems to be regarded with religious reverence in some quarters, which doesn't help objectivity."
And in other quarters, it seems to be held with religious contempt equal in its lack of objectivity. Perhaps people want desperately to hold onto a standard that has proven extremely valuable to the software community and aren't excited about another effort that doesn't even try to base itself on UML's underlying MOF, much less UML.
I think the lack of emphasis on MOF is because few have done what Microsoft is doing with DSL's, so there's been little to no support in the way of tools and such, resulting in little or no understanding of what MOF is all about. Microsoft could have gone a long way toward making that situation better by supporting MOF instead of going in a completely different direction.
Hartmut's Box
wrote
UML vs. DSLs
on 01-05-2005 10:27 AM
Don Box is commenting on the ongoing debate between the MDA camp and the Software Factory/DSL camp. I’m not baffled “why the UML camp puts so much emphasis on UML relative to MOF and XMI”. It’s in the name ;-)....
Bruce Johnson's SOA(P) Box
wrote
Should DSL use UML
on 01-05-2005 2:29 PM
Don Box's Spoutlet
wrote
MOF, UML, and XML
on 01-06-2005 1:53 AM
Juha-Pekka Tolvanen
wrote
re: Back and Forth on UML and DSLs
on 03-18-2005 11:34 AM
I personally don’t see MOF as solution when defining modeling languages (even if they are UML-based). There are several reasons, but briefly: MOF covers the aspects of language specification only partially; it lacks some elementary expressiveness and is definitely too complex. MOF is also a standard which implementations seems to end up with something else than the standard MOF (calling it then XMOF, EMOF, MOF-like etc). If MOF is sufficient as a metametamodel, why that happens? Any suggestion?
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